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*intro music*

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Herald-Angel: So, welcome here on stage

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bonsoir taziden and kload

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the next talk is on

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building a better internet

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It all started I think

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two years ago at the 30C3

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when these two guys were here

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inviting us to build our own ISP

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and this year they want to invite us to

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build something like a better internet

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which is a small box I think
they have brought with them.

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Yeah, that prevents your ISP from

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snooping on your traffic and

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enables you to circumvent things like

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carrier grade NAT

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and all of these oddites

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Stage is yours

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kload + taziden: Thank you

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applause

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taziden: Hello everyone, so we are
going to talk to you about

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the internet cube, which is this little box
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maybe you have heard already

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about this project with the french name

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“La brique Internet”,

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but today we are going to stick with

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the internet cube.

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So let's start with some facts

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kload: today we have an Internet
made of big silos

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and this is really something

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we're incomfortable with

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and really something we need to change.

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We have… We give information to

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a lot of companies, a lot of entities,

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governments and stuff that

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are having this power to

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influence us through this.

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So, yeah, it is to say that

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we have this princess freedom

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we can say that is being held by

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some evelish Ganondorf

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Like you know that Google, Amazon, Netflix,

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Apple, Microsoft, Dropbox, Nasty one, Onclick,

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doubleclick.google.ceobase.com
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and reddit, obviously

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and facebook, that's for sure

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fact number 2, maybe

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t: fact number 2: internet needs diversity

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internet is today as kload said

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the information is centered in silos

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but not only personal information

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also the public information

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and we can have today

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what is your freedom

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if the only information you get is from

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the top hundread websites

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so that's a major problem.

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We need more networks,

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we need more websites,

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we need more information, more sources,

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more diversity and obviously

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we need more networks.

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k: Thankfully we have this

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hypertext link to the rescue

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of the princess here and

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he seems a bit sad with only his shield

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so he has to find this artifacts to get

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to this old man in the cave and find

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I don't know maybe something

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maybe an internet cube

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*applause*

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Okay, okay, this way is a bit tough.

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We have one here and

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without further ado,

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we'll make a quick demo

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so that you have an idea how it works

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t: so let's see we have one here
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k: we just plugged in just before the conference

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so that we can show the [???] at some point

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t: let's see what's on there

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k: just have to type my domain name,

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a very common one

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t: yea, it works.

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*applause*

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this is where it works,

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a device like this

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and yeah, I just have my
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I can just have my e-mails,

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I mean receive my e-mails.

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So you can actually send me e-mails on it.

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k: let's encrypt is not yet included,

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but we're working on it.

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t: It is self signed certificates

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but propper ciphers and stuff.

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Don't worry.

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k: You really accept it permanently?

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So. It is running on the 4G connection here

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because I don't know the CCC Network

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is kind of spoofing things sometimes

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and I will try to receive my e-mails here.

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Don't move to much, he's working here.

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k: awww, come on

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t: Please, Please 4G.

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Oh. That's something.

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k: The packets are going through

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europe and belgium, france also of course

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t: That's because HTTPS is slowing up connections

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Maybe we won't have e-mails, but I still have

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my awesome website on it.

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Oh, yes! It works!

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Sorry about that.

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Yeah!
*applause*

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k: Can you remember the password?

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t: I did. Something very strong.

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Do you have something funny to say?

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k: No. Not after the
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So, how are you today?

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You're doing right?

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t: Maybe you can explain that

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k: we just plugged it in.

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We even put this 4G phone in USB

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connected it through USB to the cube

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and it worked.

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It recognised an internet device on

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the USB-device and automatically connected

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it to the internet.

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t: Actually we can explain that we switched

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to 3G connection because we had issues

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during the preperation with the networks here

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at the congress. Some people where trying

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k: DynDNS or SSL-Certificates, what an idea

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t: let's wait a little bit

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(whispers) Come on!

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*chuckles*

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that was working earlier.

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k: of course it was working

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don't try this at home because it's dangerous.

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No, it’s … I mean …

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Receiving e-mails, actual e-mails
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Okay, we can go further now and
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So, the question is:

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How does it actually work?

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t: … when it works. *chuckles*

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t: How does it work?
That's the interesting part.

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This little box, cube,
what is interesting about this

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is that it's the union of three mayor

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essential parts: three basic elements that

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combine together gives something

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very interesting and

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the first part is open hardware.

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We need to do this to achieve
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We need to have an open hardware that is cheap,

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low voltage, that is hackable,

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with specifications online and so far

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the best match we had only makes Hamboard,

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but open hardware is just one element and

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you need to have free software
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of this open hardware and that's something

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kload has been working on
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k: for like 3 years we worked on a software

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called YunoHost which is basically

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a Debian based distribution that aims

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to facilitate or to ease the installation

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and the management, the handling

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of services on the server

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easing the user creation, management,

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the backup creation, the domain creation

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the extention of the server capabilities

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with applications and stuff.

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So that's regarding the software part.

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You can find further information on the website

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YunoHost.org and we had those 2 components

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cool hardware, open and

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and we had this software which works on

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that board but we needed something

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in order to solve this network issue

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that obviously is a pain in the ass when you

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are trying to host yourself.

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It's like how can I make my server open

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on the internet and that's
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We chose to add to this a VPN connection

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to a trustworthy provider.

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t: Two years ago I was here at the congress

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giving a talk about inviting you to build

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your own ISPs and when you are running

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such ISPs you should communicate and

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help each other in order
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and this networks to have them
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We met with Freifunk and so.

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That was really great and we at the time

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presented a tool called db.ffdn.org

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of internet access providers,

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non-profit ones, that are enabling us

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with this cube to provide VPN access with

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public endpoints which means you can have

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your personal data or your public data
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through trusted connection,

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going through a friendly ISP

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and that's something that's not possible

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with the most of the commercial ISPs

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that are blocking port 25,

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that are doing silly stuff,

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that are doing discrimination on the network

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and that do not want us to do self hosting.

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That's the 3rd element that I've seen

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missing in most of the projects about

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this kind of matter.

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It's how do you …

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You can trust the hardware,

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you can work on the hardware,

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you can work on the software,

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but the missing link is always, I think,

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the third is one about the connection
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3 elements give what we think is

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kind of only trinity like

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k: those 3 parts are very legit in the

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sense that it now comes as a plug and play

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device, something really plug and play

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even though it is a bit slow sometimes but…

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t: depends on the network

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k: depends on the network, but this question

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of having friendly ISPs is
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Self hosting is becoming
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Now having this 3 parts

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really makes the cube plug and play

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and the cool part is adding a WiFi antenna

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on it and you have actually this initial

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network broadcasted through all your house,

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every place you go you have this wifi,

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we have one though, we have a

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non-discriminant network being
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t: it's overrated

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k: We have also this possibilities to

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broadcast a virtual network at home

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and just by connecting to it

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your commercial non-trustworthy ISP

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is not able to read what you are doing
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having a virtual network at home

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and having a personal cell
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t: that's the very interesting thing
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is that you have two major parts like

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connecting to the cube and your data

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from everywhere on the internet

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and also at your home, or whereever

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you are you can connect to the internet

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through a trusted channel and

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of course this is what we came up with

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but I think there are many, many

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other things we can do and maybe

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you are all wondering how do you get one?

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a working one of course

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and that's an interesting question

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it's easy for French people or

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Belgian to have one because there are

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non profit local ISPs providing this cubes

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nearby that as I say

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the local part is very important

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what you should do is maybe think about

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such as we do and also all the parts,

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all the documentation,
all the software and so on

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is online and we really invite people
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It's really what we want to do.
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how many members are in the federation?

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t: in the federation,
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we have knowledges of how we can

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build one and if you want to do so just

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t: We have gathered enough knowledge to

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t: one thing is:
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with the people involved
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and this very combination gives something

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that I think is very, very cool
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There are many things to do with it

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many hacks to invent or things to …

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k: Of course, this hardware is kind of

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like a Rasberry Pi, it has potentially …
all of the potential

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maybe if you went to camp you
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my head because I was sharing documents.

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t: You also did it in Tunisia?

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We did it quite a few times

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tor gateway, maybe one day routing all

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the traffic instead of VPN
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t: with people using it
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k: Yea, as a streaming device...

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battery, so you can just... really

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have it on your backpack.
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with a solar panel as it's low voltage and

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it's really something interesting and

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we will ... you will advance
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over creative, stupid, crazy ideas

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and that's why we are here. So...

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k: Yeah, if you want to have
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you have this... this is
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That you figured out.

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It's like "internetcube.be"

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and you have all the information

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all the documentation, mailing list, IRC,
every channel of communication

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t: Yeah, you can contact us
to share actions

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to see what can be improved,

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because for us it fits in our use cases,

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but it may be that there are other use cases

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with when you are in Tunisia or other countries,

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there are certainly other things
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k: Yeah, anyway. If you want to talk about
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we are in CCC until the end, probably.

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at my mails. Okay! Questions?

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*applause*

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Herald: Okay, Merci beaucoup, taziden et kload

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and do we have questions from the stream viewers

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That is not the case,
so thank you for your talk!

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t: Thank you! Thank you!

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*applause*

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Herald: Okay, there is a question! Where?

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Microphone 3!

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Question: So thank you for the talk!

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I don't have much knowledge about your

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technology so far, so excuse if the question

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is misplaced.

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in terms of
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k: It actually doesn't compare to the

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Tor network. We can not compare that.

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t: But in terms of anoynmity: it doesn't

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make you anonymous.
it's quite the opposite, actually.

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when you connect to it in the WiFi

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in your house, everything that you do

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all your connection, internet connection

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is not readable any more for your actual

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your commercial ISP.

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your local friendly organisation that

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t: yeah! So as always.

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Herald: So now I see people lining up.

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Microphone 2 please!

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Question: Hi, can it
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filter home ISP usually at large providers?

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email to Gmail and others.

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actual IP address on the this box

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and this box can definitely send emails

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to Gmail and receive emails from Gmail.

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but you can definitely have
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Herald: And there is a question
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Question: Hi, I am originating for Tunisia,

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so I am a little bit interested
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and during the Tunisian Arab spring revolution

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it was that mesh networks, AIDA mesh network,

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was that something you did or?

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t: No not we! You want to answer maybe...

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k: No you...

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t: No, I will... sorry. No we didn't make

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mesh network but this is really something

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we can imagine with those kind of devices

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but this is not what we did in Tunisia.

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In Tunisia we just had those devices

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as pirateboxes to distribute documents

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and that's it.

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Questioner: Thank you!

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Herald: Okay, I don't see anybody
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Okay then thanks again!

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t: Thank you!
k: Thanks!

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*applause*